John Jaeckel: Awards And Rumors

First. Keep it coming JJ.

Hawks are already close to 30mill for 3 now with Seabrook. Maybe he is one that would have to go the other way. Interesting rumor to think about none the less.

Every team in the league would call and inquire about Malkin if he is available. Rutherford tried to put these rumours to rest. I do think the Pens would trade Malkin for the right offer. It is going to take a whole lot more than Krueger and Anisimov. I think Pit can do better than what Chicago could offer.

For like the 19th time, I apologize if it seemed I was suggesting AA and Kruger would be enough. Not what I intended. I was saying those were two names included "in possible deal." So yeah, I agree with you.

Intriguing news for sure. At this point, I have no clue or have any speculation ideas regarding these rumors because I just cannot see the $ working altogether. Going to take some serious calculator work and brain storming here today and tomorrow.

Hope to see some movement today... Not necessarily the Hawks but something around the league for sure. If Chicago, even better.

Nice airplane reference JJ! Hope the back gets better (we need you healthy!).

I think the only way that the Malkin thing makes sense is if you are on the inside and know facts that we just don't have. There is a big piece of something that we just don't know. I am tired of people (unlike you and the majority of folks on this board) looking at the situation and making snap judgments without all the facts. I'm having fun trying to figure it out and puzzle solving. Thanks for keeping the discussion going.

Just imagine Malkin being in on a play like this in Chicago....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4mY4FHyT80

Nice airplane reference JJ! Hope the back gets better (we need you healthy!).

I think the only way that the Malkin thing makes sense is if you are on the inside and know facts that we just don't have. There is a big piece of something that we just don't know. I am tired of people (unlike you and the majority of folks on this board) looking at the situation and making snap judgments without all the facts. I'm having fun trying to figure it out and puzzle solving. Thanks for keeping the discussion going.
- Marlowe

This x1000

Thanks Marlowe

Nice airplane reference JJ! Hope the back gets better (we need you healthy!).
- Marlowe

This.

For like the 19th time, I apologize if it seemed I was suggesting AA and Kruger would be enough. Not what I intended. I was saying those were two names included "in possible deal." So yeah, I agree with you.
- John Jaeckel

What do you think Chicago could offer in a fair trade? I just don't see Chicago being a good,trade partner with Pit on a Malkin deal.

I understand why Pens fans get defensive on this. Malkin is a stud. However, they need to get used to it that he will be inquired about EVERY YEAR until (if?) he is gone. Just like Kane was/is inquired about, especially after last summer.

Just because a player is inquired about doesn't mean he is going to move. Don't get so butthurt that his name is in the conversation. High profile player who may or may not have stated he is looking to get out of town will always draw ridiculous attention.

As far as the Hawks acquiring Malkin, they would be stupid not to inquire and see what the price is. Yes, it would be very difficult to make the appropriate moves that PIT would even accept. Not sure if it even makes any sense, but seeing as the Hawks are in a rough situation, I am sure that they may at least look at taking an unorthodox approach to get back to contention instead of going the way of the Red Wings and taking the safe path into mediocrity.

What do you think Chicago could offer in a fair trade? I just don't see Chicago being a good,trade partner with Pit on a Malkin deal.
- PittsPens

Not sure if AA and Kruger would be enough. I imagine picks (which Hawks don't have much of) and prospects (again, not an abundance) would be involved. Probably a three+ team blockbuster deal?

I agree that it doesn't seem like the Hawks and Pens would be good trade partners at this time for such a high profile player.

There are so many comments on message boards about, "That's not enough for [Player X]." While that might be true, there are reasons why trades have to be made...look at Sharp and Johns last season.

So, if Malkin really wants out, and the Pens want him out, and there are only two teams he'll waive to...then maybe AA, Kruger and a couple of middling prospects are what they are going to get.

Dunno, some people have talked about a Kane-Malkin swap that might involve a pick or two or some other off-cap assets.

You could also put together a package like Anisimov, Kruger and Nick Schmaltz.

I don't know. What I HEARD the other day was the likelihood of the "rumored" deal was dependent on how much Malkin "wants out" of Pittsburgh.

Please know, I am not arguing that is true. But I have heard it a lot. FWIW.

JJ, do you think the info that Kruger and Shaw may be on the move means the Hawks are trying to gain extra cap space to bring Ladd back? Just kind of hard to see Kruger going anywhere especially with the trade of Danault.

JJ, do you think the info that Kruger and Shaw may be on the move means the Hawks are trying to gain extra cap space to bring Ladd back? Just kind of hard to see Kruger going anywhere especially with the trade of Danault.
- z1990z

I think that would be the ONLY reason they let both go is to obtain a 1LW whether that's Ladd, Lucic or ????

Edit: And I am not saying they should let both go but that I can see why they would for that reason.

I still think the Hawks gave Seabrook too much term, but his deal is looking better already when you see what Florida paid Yandle. Yeesh!

If Malkin is a possibility, Shaw would have to be gone, most likely Crawford, and another contract, say AA. Seabrook? (hope not), but maybe... Lot of money involved. Curious to see how they fill out the depth chart.

I would offer seabrook to Edmonton for the 4th pic, take Tkachuk, great player affordable for Toews line mate. Then they would also include a prospect... Look at the cap room. Then move Crawford. We would be able to build a great team for next year.

If Malkin is a possibility, Shaw would have to be gone, most likely Crawford, and another contract, say AA. Seabrook? (hope not), but maybe... Lot of money involved. Curious to see thow they fill out the depth chart.
- 93Joe

Me too - and that was without any Malkin or other high priced talent in the discussion!

Like some others here have said, I am not buying the Malkin rumor as feasible unless 2-3 big contracts are moved. Say Kruger, Anisimov, and Crawford.

I just feel like any other situation prevents the Hawks from icing a team that has been them successful: rolling 4 lines that can score with good defense.... and you just can't do that if you have so much money tied up in a few players.

I would offer seabrook to Edmonton for the 4th pic, take Tkachuk, great player affordable for Toews line mate. Then they would also include a prospect... Look at the cap room. Then move Crawford. We would be able to build a great team for next year.
- francisryan

In theory, Tkachuk could be a cheap and viable option to skate with Toews. However, I don't believe that the organization can afford to lose one of the top three from the blueline. There's nothing within the organization to replace someone like that, and given what Hank just pointed out about Yandle's new deal, getting someone from the free agent market who could fill Seabrook's shoes in some way could get very costly.

Like some others here have said, I am not buying the Malkin rumor as feasible unless 2-3 big contracts are moved. Say Kruger, Anisimov, and Crawford.

I just feel like any other situation prevents the Hawks from icing a team that has been them successful: rolling 4 lines that can score with good defense.... and you just can't do that if you have so much money tied up in a few players.
- Bjm84

Just reiterating an argument used on this board over the years regarding the Hawks, but now applies to the Penguins.

Hawks have not gotten equal value back over the years when having to unload Sharp, et. al. due to the cap.

Now that the Pens are the SC champs why should any GM help them out of their cap situation by returning value for Malkin IF (a big IF) he's to be traded.

If Pittsburgh wants to shed salary they have to receive less money back and therefore lesser players.

In this scenario, I can't the Hawks as a player in this deal for the same reason... more money coming in than going out which they can't afford.